The 5D Mark IV is Canon's first full-framer that can continuously focus in Live View during stills capture, and because of the way Dual Pixel AF works, focus is generally very accurate, even with fast lenses. But they will not migrate because in these threads they will not find anyone to engage in polemics. Realistically, other reasons should push you to pick one or the other besides an extra button or touchscreen. Reading the manual indicated that when this feature is selected, the buffer will be slower to clear. armandino - Yes, as market leader, Canon can afford in purely economic terms, to loose some ground, but even the most ardent Canon enthusiast (that includes me) is concerned that Canon specifications (and to some degree, performance) are not keeping up with Nikon and Sony. The latter is extremely good in all respects apart from high ISO, where the quality drops below the standard I demand, above ISO 1600. Lensrentals most-rented gear of 2017 contains a few interesting surprises. The 6D had better focus and lower noise at higher iso, for me, it filled the gap waiting for the MKIV and held its own against the MKIII. When shooting with the viewfinder you can take advantage of a 61-point AF system (41 of which are cross-type) with expanded vertical coverage. "Professionals and enthusiasts looking for a durable, no-nonsense camera". in LIVEVIEW mode and using Dual Pixel AFthe MINUTE you start shooting, Dual Pixel will NOT TRACK.ie, tracking only before the burst NOT during the burst. I've had cameras with movable screens (and fixed as well) over a period of 17 1/2 years and never had one fail. Have a look at our initial sample gallery taken on a full-frame Sony body. Also, the 5D IV will certainly be better than the other two in terms of Raw dynamic range, but that's not something that you can tell in our standard test scene. Get Product Support Register Your Product. A touch screen is just a nice feature and nothing more. I wish I lived in Seattle so I could show you how to use the darn thing. Sep 14, 2016, 109 images • It really does make a big improvement to handling, compared to 5DMkiii and 5DS. ;) Good review, dpreview. Just accept other people's opinions. Try again. As of 2016, the EOS 5D Mark IV is Canon's enthusiast full-frame DSLR. We've seen that the camera suffers from some rolling shutter, but it may still have some merit for capturing the decisive moment when 7fps just isn't enough. Removing the mirror affects the viewfinder too. It's unnecessary jargon. 0 – 40 °C, 85% or less humidity. They are only rare on amateur cams or semi-pro ones because young people like to make selfies or vlogging. The test scene is based on the use of Adobe Standard for all cameras to minimize the colour differences (the colour differences between brands are covered in the JPEG mode). Perhaps it's related to the fallout from the Amazon S3 failure. And I agree that the 5DIV consolidates current technology in a rugged and reliable body. Many thanks for answering. May be even less, since EOS-R is a totally new camera which required a big investments and 5d Mark IV is only improvement of 5d Mark III. Your reasons for not liking them are more seated in emotion than facts. Try a Hoodman Viewfinder Loop, it works great in daylight or anytime. Furthermore, newcomers may be more attracted to Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Pentax or Sony, so Canon will be unable to build brand loyalty. Live with it. So stupid..... EXX - My guess is that the Canon would have the better AF system, but the Sony would score higher on image quality and other aspects of specification. It also boasts a larger LCD touchscreen and a viewfinder with 100% coverage, … I just posted about the same thing. Well the link below is DXoMarks numbers...https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-SLT-Alpha-99-II-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV-versus-Canon-EOS-80D___1120_1106_1076. These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both speed and focus for capturing fast action and offer professional-level image quality. yet it's saying the image quality is less than my Mark II, I don't understand. The new DJI Mavic Mini 2 includes several notable improvements over the original Mavic Mini, including 4K video, Raw photo capability, and DJI's robust OcuSync 2.0 transmission system. What if the lens adapter to the mirrorless cam has an opening for a 'standardized' filter. 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The Canon 5D MKIV would get totally slaughtered in that comparison. Either way, I'll be keeping my fixed screen 5DMkiv and will probably also keep my ageing and very battered 5DS too. The D850 was just announced, and by all accounts it's shaping up to be a very impressive DSLR. @entomanI agree with you, but I believe that at Canon they know what they are doing. My niche is Mountain Real Estate which often requires shooting interiors of dark cabins and layering in a 10 stop swing from the dark areas of a room to the outside views often with reflective lake thru the windows. I think it's probably been stated throughout the (many) comments on the a99 II, but the Sony's screen isn't touch-enabled while Canon's touch interface is one of the most polished on the market, the Sony's screen is a magnet for fingerprints even without touch sensitivity, the protective coating degrades quickly and requires replacement for best visibility sooner than you might think, and a majority (though not all) of the staff finds the Sony's tilting mechanism to be fiddly in actual use, especially with the camera on a tripod. Now, as the year winds down, we're highlighting some of our standout products of the year. You can write about framerates and AF all you want without having to use either phrase. It will definitely buy some time for Canon to come up with a killer FF mirrorless camera for both stills and video. Canon got ripped off. Shop Now. I tried every lens and battery to make sure it wasn't that.So the next day I sent it to Canon. Very familiar as I lived and breathed a 5DIII for almost 2 years. Is there a problem with the rating chart? To go even further, it also occurred to me that what is popular to American photogs may not be the same in Japan. Who bought a Canon 5D IV want information to help make the most of the camera. I prefer a tilting screen for stills. Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM ($1,099): Featuring a zoom range of 24-105mm and a constant f/4 aperture, the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM is ideal for landscapes, portraits, sports and more, offering effective all-day performance for advanced photography and videography.From wide-angle to mid-telephoto and everywhere in-between, the EF 24-105mm f/4L … Please link to evidence of Canon losing market share, beyond that which can be attributed to simply having more choices in the market. Oh, and it's a lot of fun too. Do not need to run if you can get away with walking. With the EOS 5D Mark IV, Canon has further refined its semi-professional full frame all-rounder. There are a lot of photo/video cameras that have found a role as B-cameras on professional productions or A-camera for amateur and independent productions. If it's there you simply don't have to use it, simple as that. Different strokes for different folks. Now, three months later, the company has confirmed in a statement that the personal information of past and current employees was taken from its servers. reducing readout noise won't get you very far: ISO100 full well ~= 80000e18% grey ~=14000esimple shadows (-3ev from 18% grey) ~=1800eshot noise in shadow = sqrt(1200e) ~= 42e, iso25600 full well ~= 312e18% grey ~=56esimple shadows (-3ev from 18% grey) ~=7eshot noise in shadow = sqrt(5e) ~= 2.7e, readout noise on my 6D at ISO 25600 ~= 1.6e. It actually goes from 0 to 60 in a fraction of a second! Red light is blinking, control image preview does not appear at all - even after blinking ended. That's Canon's trump card over the competition...their excellent L series glass. Canon now offers a range of full-frame models. The important thing is that there is a choice. This is claimed (among other things) to cancel the effects of the AA filter and yield sharper images. It is competitive for sports and action as well as for wedding, nature, portrait, landscape and product photography. The Canon EOS 5D Mark IV ships this September and will cost $3499 body only, $4399 with the 24-70mm F4L IS USM lens and $4599 with the 24-105mm F4L IS II USM lens. I give them more knowledge than most people in the dpreview-comments-section. Dimensions (WxHxD) 150.7 x 116.4 x 75.9mm. @bobfontecheck out any youtube review of the camera. I've owned or used almost all of them at some stage and found them very pleasurable to use, and to provide fine images. When an article is a month old, it just displays "1 month" without the mouseover, and after a year, it's just "1 year", so for older comments it becomes very unclear when something was said without the mouseover. Depending on which system you're in and what your needs are, they might just be the compact, well-priced and impressively sharp little primes you've been looking for. While they were out shooting their video about Sigma's new lenses, Chris and Jordan filled up a memory card with photos from the 35mm F2 DG DN using Panasonic bodies. The Canon 5D Mark IV is a highly sophisticated camera, and that means it has a very complex menu system with numerous options. armandino - Yes, I understand Canon's philosophy that they only give us what they think we need (reminiscent of Apple), and only release new technology when they are satisfied that it is mature and fully tested. Deluxe Backpack 200EG - $14.99 with EOS purchase $200 Instant Savings. And the Canon works just as great on a Sony body. I'll also be keeping a close eye on user reports and reviews of the a99ii, which to me is a much nicer design, but has yet to be proven to be able to stand up to the sort of treatment it would receive in my hands, i.e. The 5DIV will be outdated in under one year, never mind the full 4 years of its typical life cycle. It shows Canon and the Exec's did their homework well 😏. "These people should leave the Canon 5D IV thread and migrate to the threads of other cameras". And concentrate. "If Digital Lens Optimiser is set to Enable, the continuous shooting speed will greatly decrease". What’s the best camera for less than $1000? Personally I find the a7Rii still a bit "fiddly" and prefer Canon ergonomics. It is kind of like the filter slot for the super tele. But this is changing fast too. ;-). Firmware update???? When we first reported on the alleged ransomware attack back in August, Canon said it was 'investigating the situation.' I'm a little puzzled by Carey's condemnation of the a99ii screen though, as surely it is too early yet to pass judgement on the longevity of the screen coating? My advice is, if you must upgrade or replace, unless you really NEED the IV, get a III. It's not a lot smaller, but it is lighter as are the smaller format lenses. It is able to work within a native ra… Does Nikon even have that? The app includes automatic image transfer, gallery creation, editing tools and more. The Canons need a lot of experimentation, but the Nikons apparently get it right "straight out of the box", and don't need the iTR feature (or to be more accurate, it's built in, but not listed as a selectable feature). I purchased this camera and until I read these comments I thought it was awesome. Me personally, I favour reliability, stellar lens availability and ergonomics. vscdThe fact that I'm retired is irrelevant. So how does the 5D Mark IV stack up against its closest sibling and predecessor? We were more concerned by the crop and the rolling shutter to worry too much about the absolute resolution being captured but it should be in there for comparison purposed. Pentax's K1ii has an articulated screen. The rear camera (or cameras) on an iPhone has all the latest bells and whistles, but how do you use them to capture a selfie or record a video of yourself? I was looking at the same question on the 80D you mention. Pricing. There's always the angle finder which does a fine job. Set for the highest pitched audio you gonna record, and you don't get the hiss when volume lowers. I would have to say that at a minimum a flip screen is an absolute necessity on anything but a pocket camera these days making the 5D IV about an 80 rating in my book. Sigma has introduced its new 'I series' of compact, premium full-frame lenses for E and L mounts. So how should the camera do something 3 times per second or faster which requires huge amounts of time on a PC. The A99ii should have been an 89 and not 92. It is almost the same as the four-year-old 6D! I use my dslr with smartphone via WLAN, try harder. Didn't you just say Canon replaced "everything else"? Since the screen is fixed you will still have to lay on your stomach for a low angle shot. That's perfectly fine for me. As we have both pointed out in previous threads, the a99ii could be a game-changer (hate that expression), combining extremely good DSLR-style ergonomics with the best tech that Sony can offer. I guess it's real value would be for tripod-based photography, when time is not a major issue. @tbcass "A touch screen is just a nice feature and nothing more.". This little camera came around at the perfect time and it fills the perfect purpose, while I wait for the Canon mirrorless to come. What about the low light capability of the AF? Considering the slow refresh cycles of this model, to me this is disappointing and Canon is heavily relaying on the quality/ruggedness of a body backed up by a comprehensive system and their market momentum to make a far too conservative products. Yes Canon are obviously looking out for their C range video bodies but for three and half grand what's lacking on this is severe. That said, the Canon EF 85 f1.8 remains one of the best bargains around (I find the bokeh a bit harsh, but the lens is still quite good esp. Luckily there are plenty of cameras with tilting screens, plenty of cameras with fully articulating screens and plenty of cameras with fixed screens. Only 3 answers to multiple claims and those are weak. What I think is more visible in the Studio Scene is the sharpness difference, where the IV looks loosing versus II and III. Is it right? What a great review. It's just a taste. The notification system gets a bit overwhelmed if you're the author of an article (you get a single notification for all the activity that's occurred since you last checked, and the system thinks I've authored 408 articles, so isn't very good at notifying me). It's also available for other cameras in their DPP software. It's the very first thing I do when I buy a new camera, and doesn't affect touch-screen usability (at least, not with the 5DMkiv or 80D, I can't vouch for other touch screens). Combining a 37MP full-frame sensor, minimalist controls and Lightroom Mobile built in, it's a refreshing – if a bit quirky – take on the smartphone-meets-camera concept. Pros shopping for a full-frame SLR will be happy with both the Nikon D850 and the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV. It doesn't allow for as much flexibility as a tilting screen, but it's still worlds better from a 'don't have to lay on my stomach' perspective than an optical viewfinder. but it's been fine now for...how many years has that one been out? In order to compare on the road the files I really get from cameras, like fisically taking the same picture from both, should I take the "comp" view? Roundup, Fujifilm's 3.00 firmware update adds a new Pixel Shift Mult-Shot mode to its GFX 100 camera that works alongside a new Pixel Shift Combiner program to output 400MP Raw images made up from 16 individual still images. Even if I keep all my existing lenses and use them via adaptors on the MILC bodies, I have a choice between tilting screens (Sony) and fully articulating screens (Canon, Panasonic). I can appreciate that but why did you criticize the articulating screen of the A99ii while praising the fixed screen of the Canon. My main body now is the A7RII, I am in the process of getting rid of my 7DII and preparing to purchase the next FF Sony coming out next year. In conclusion, Canon's 5D Mark 4 is an insult to anyone who waited more than a day for it. 30.4-megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor. And there's simply to much alternatives on the market for their marketing decision to make any sense. The Canon EOS 5D Mark IV body is ideal for shooting action photos with speeds of up to seven frames per second. But in just about every other regard, the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV is the far more versatile camera and a worthy upgrade from the 5D Mark III. There a number of different ways this has been achieved. Canons can handle that, but I'm not sure that Sony could. Still, mordenizing the cam to have one fewer thing to pack is god sent :-). I have criticisms of it of course, e.g. The 5D IV is my preferred hitter, uses the current lens stable and I like the results. However, the Canon was introduced approx. I love my 5DlV. Advantage of the opening slot on lense adapter is thst one standard filter diameter for all lenses attached to it. ***Continuous shooting speed actually reduces to about one shot every 3 seconds, with JPEG or RAW***. On Page 9 (Image Preview), it looks like the RAW preview was exported with the Adobe Standard profile instead of the usual Camera Standard profile, which explains the faded red color. Then we'll have to disagree on this because I find an articulating non touch screen way, way a thousand times more useful than a fixed touch screen. Reply from Canon UK - "In regards to your enquiry about the Digital Lens Optimizer on the EOS 5D MKIV, we can confirm that, depending on the lens used, the DLO will take longer to process. Even advanced photographers may find it tricky to set the Canon 5D IV correctly at first, so we decided to share our recommended camera settings to give you a … With a solid build and improved weather sealing, faster burst speed, increased resolution, increased dynamic range, updated autofocus system and Dual Pixel live view functionality, the Mark IV will be as much camera as many people need, even if it doesn't revolutionize the 5D-line the way its predecessors have. Do you own both a 6D and a 5D4? To that, I have to imagine it is incorrect, or only applies to the camera in its own time. Fun fact: quite the majority of my colleagues have the same opinion. Re: EOS 5D Mark IV Shutter Count. Can anyone please tell me if this camera (Canon EOS 5D Mark IV) has face detection?That might seem a minor thing in such an up-market camera, but when you do portrait work it is a very useful feature.Thank you,Ray, Hi "VSCD". To me this step is only justified by an imminent new product and Canon rightfully wants to leave a sufficiently large market gap in place.